[quote=Ben.Hahlen]Just tell me one thing:
HOW do you know that he pulsed with the same profile?[/quote]
The same way you know that he didn’t: You don’t.
There we have it =) No proof, no valid reason, nothing ^^
Right.
So then you are also not sure that he cheated, nor are you sure that his pulses came from the same profile, which in turn defeats all your “it’s obvious”, “I have given arguements”, “the proof is there”, etc posts.
In fact, it all boils down to this:
There is no way to know if someone is a cheater or not by looking at AvKPS. If that were true, I would be a cheater as well, as I have some pulses with high AvKPS. As there is no way to tell that these pulses were made from different profiles, you could conclude that I am a cheater. Then again, you could conclude that I am not, however, you can never be sure as there is no real proof to be shown.
But if you use it exactly like you say, your pulses will be deleted. 
[quote=Ben.Hahlen]Right.
So then you are also not sure that he cheated, nor are you sure that his pulses came from the same profile, which in turn defeats all your “it’s obvious”, “I have given arguements”, “the proof is there”, etc posts.
In fact, it all boils down to this:
There is no way to know if someone is a cheater or not by looking at AvKPS. If that were true, I would be a cheater as well, as I have some pulses with high AvKPS. As there is no way to tell that these pulses were made from different profiles, you could conclude that I am a cheater. Then again, you could conclude that I am not, however, you can never be sure as there is no real proof to be shown.[/quote]
Everything is based on opinion. We’re on the same boat here, just on different sides of the lake. As I’ve said, the final conclusion that these pulses we illegitimate had nothing to do with the AvKPS.
If you like, we can stop our efforts to remove cheaters altogether and just let it pile up and turn WhatPulse into a wasteland. Or we can continue trying to combat illegitimate pulses, get a few false positives along the way and ride off into the sunset. It’s your choice, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t bother be here if it weren’t for the anti-cheat efforts.
Yes, because we’ve deleted every single pulse on WhatPulse since we introduced 1.5 in 2006. Oh, wait. This is an isolated incident.
[quote=bobL]Well, you know, he could have double pulsed on the same profile… or just not used a profile at all and used an older client = cheating/hacking. Obvious, right?
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Ehm, if I´m right, the CLIENT of 1.4.7 does not allow you to pulse keys with more then 4 AvKPS… So IF he tried to pulse that amount of keys with 1.4.7, he wasn´t able to because it would be blocked…
EDIT: This is based on people who are reported several times for cheating and who have been deleted for cheating already (2nd acc) and have pulses of 3.98 Keys per sec for a pulse, so these are clearly cheating as if 1.4.7 would’nt block the pulses of higher then 4.00 they wouldn’t have had 3.98…
Why would I cheat I dont type very much, i only have about 12 (14) million keys over the last years. My pulses get deleted while I dont do anything wrong. Then there are users who pulse more than 100M with 1 pulse and nobody cares a bit. I think you are all missing the point. Ah well too bad.
…What?
I stand corrected on the 1.4.7 issue, but that paragraph makes no sense
Lol what Pimorez says has nothing do to with this…
Sorry, typing something while gaming isn’t going well for me 
What I tried to say:
This is based on people who are reported several times, and 1 (Meeschka or Meeshka) who has been deleted but cheated on a 2nd acc.
Those cheaters in the old days before 1.5 all had pulses of basically 3.5 AvKPS or higher… Today, people still pulse with 1.4.7 (or at least they did a few weeks ago) with AvKPS of 3.98 and stuff (no profiles, but they do have 3.98 AvKPS from a pulse of 1mil+ keys)… This way I assume that 1.4.7 blocks pulses with an AvKPS which is HIGHER then 4.00. So these WP users could NEVER have pulsed these keys with 1.4.7 because then the pulses would’ve been blocked.
Including that he also pulsed MILES, which can’t be made with 1.4.7 so these pulses haven’t been pulsed with 1.4.7 for sure…
Hope everybody understands it now =]
EDIT:
It has, read what BobL says: “or just not used a profile at all and used an older client = cheating/hacking.” 
[quote=bobL]Everything is based on opinion. We’re on the same boat here, just on different sides of the lake. As I’ve said, the final conclusion that these pulses we illegitimate had nothing to do with the AvKPS.
If you like, we can stop our efforts to remove cheaters altogether and just let it pile up and turn WhatPulse into a wasteland. Or we can continue trying to combat illegitimate pulses, get a few false positives along the way and ride off into the sunset. It’s your choice, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t bother be here if it weren’t for the anti-cheat efforts.
Yes, because we’ve deleted every single pulse on WhatPulse since we introduced 1.5 in 2006. Oh, wait. This is an isolated incident.[/quote]
If a possible false positive is detected shouldn’t there be a discussion about this (trying to determine what the false positive triggered for example) instead granting this as nothing has happened?
Maybe nothing can be done to reinstate the deleted keys (technical or not enough evidence wise). But we should discuss how this can be prevented in the future.
It’s already been fixed, if you read my posts.
To the best of my knowledge, it’s not possible to pulse above a certain avKPS limit within a pulse profile. For example, I can pulse on a profile called “Mjolnir” at 2:00. An hour later, I can’t just pulse one million keystrokes on Mjolnir - I have to pulse them from elsewhere. To demonstrate:
http://whatpulse.org/stats/users/117847/
Pulse #2 on 2009/02/02 18:37:40 comes from Megingjard
Pulse #1 on 2009/02/02 18:38:20 comes from Mjolnir.
I’ll admit, sometimes I pulse from two profiles one after another, just to see how high I can make that avKPS go, based on legitimate stats. All it really takes is pulsing with a miniscule 1,000 keys from one place, then jumping on to the next and pulsing over a million.
There are a couple of points made here, and I would LOVE them to become a reality. First, there is no way to tell which pulse profile each individual pulse came from. There is also no way to isolate statistics for ONE pulse profile and see its individual averages and how the pulse fits into that profile, in terms of avKPS for JUST that profile. These aren’t just useful in terms of spotting cheaters - these are things that would be COOL to know!
Bowser - yes, it’s possible that false positives happen. I’m hoping that we can improve the site in ways that keep that to a minimum. The ideas I’ve read in this thread will help to some degree.
[quote=drakenpuppy][2008/09/02 08:42:02] Pulsed with 715,000 keys, 77,034 mouseclicks and 16477.330 meters
[2008/10/10 16:52:15] Pulsed with 765,000 keys, 70,918 mouseclicks and 15212.635 meters
[2008/12/05 16:53:59] Pulsed with 1,220,000 keys, 110,915 mouseclicks and 23832.363 meters
[2008/12/31 14:25:22] Pulsed with 455,000 keys, 43,680 mouseclicks and 9570.292 meters
[2009/01/16 10:47:49] Pulsed with 300,000 keys, 24,342 mouseclicks and 5034.757 meters
[2009/01/20 13:45:07] Pulsed with 100,000 keys, 5,513 mouseclicks and 1186.514 meters
[2009/01/26 16:17:31] Pulsed with 100,000 keys, 12,568 mouseclicks and 2626.379 meters
[2009/01/29 17:00:40] Pulsed with 100,000 keys, 9,587 mouseclicks and 2239.222 meters
[2009/02/02 15:25:54] Pulsed with 100,000 keys, 6,694 mouseclicks and 1190.929 meters
At the moment I am at work, so all I can show now is my logs from my work profile. Of this log all pulses are still there, but the ones I did from home have been deleted appearantly. I’ll put these up for reference when I get home as I have no idea of them at this moment. That would mean that my pulses from home got deleted as I did most of them after one that I did at work. I will get back to you on that.[/quote]
[2007/05/30 22:21:38] Pulsed with 104,823 keys, 59,429 mouseclicks and 7751.674 meters
[2007/07/06 22:57:38] Pulsed with 517,956 keys, 152,573 mouseclicks and 20523.434 meters
[2007/08/30 18:29:02] Pulsed with 666,666 keys, 242,958 mouseclicks and 19.301 miles
[2007/09/07 07:07:36] Pulsed with 97,500 keys, 22,852 mouseclicks and 1.951 miles
[2007/09/14 15:09:27] Pulsed with 158,528 keys, 41,909 mouseclicks and 6214.507 meters
[2007/10/03 07:56:52] Pulsed with 318,986 keys, 76,624 mouseclicks and 11198.316 meters
[2007/10/17 22:59:55] Pulsed with 200,000 keys, 91,324 mouseclicks and 8976.293 meters
[2007/10/23 20:31:40] Pulsed with 45,065 keys, 6,683 mouseclicks and 1162.961 meters
[2007/12/31 12:17:45] Pulsed with 1,170,000 keys, 183,738 mouseclicks and 28828.283 meters
[2008/05/31 22:54:13] Pulsed with 2,300,000 keys, 392,901 mouseclicks and 56286.966 meters
[2008/10/11 19:41:34] Pulsed with 2,000,000 keys, 310,715 mouseclicks and 46475.671 meters
[2008/12/05 19:41:31] Pulsed with 1,115,000 keys, 147,710 mouseclicks and 20614.276 meters
[2008/12/31 16:40:29] Pulsed with 645,000 keys, 48,138 mouseclicks and 8688.220 meters
These are the pulses I made from my home PC as recorded by my log file. The bold pulses have been removed as you can see when you look at my latest 10 pulses. And really…I can see NO reason whatsoever for them being removed.
Good to hear that X-Kal. So what’s gonna happen now?
Nothing’s going to happen? :\
So I guess I could have been standing on my head but the fact that my logs clearly show that I made legitimate pulses won’t change anything? Am I correct in that assumption? Because I find it kinda insulting that nothing is even done to at the very least ensure that this won’t happen again. I’ve done everything I can to show that the pulses that were removed were in no way cheating.
I really have no idea what can be done (if anything) about pulses already removed - and since I don’t have access to the deletion logs (as far as I am aware), I can’t comment too much on whether or not they were fair. What I’d like to see, however, is a way to make sure that the anti-cheat team has enough access to all the information - presented in a way that makes sense. That way, when they delete pulses, it won’t be as much of a judgment call. That’s where your ideas would come in handy.
Well 15% of my keys have been removed because i was fair 
I think i’ll stop with whatpulse…
IF there are actually deletion logs, and I don’t think there are, then your keys may be added back.
I’ve told you, several times, that when the website is updated, there will be changes; some of which mentioned in this thread.